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this early vote has turned out. look at this. colorado, 77% has already voted. nevada. 72%. north carolina, 63% has already voted. in florida 53%. iowa 44%. and ohio 31%. john dickerson and i were talking about this earlier today. we could have most of the results already by the people that have come out early and that's why the campaigns spent so much time on getting out the vote early, this ground game on these early votes. >> pelley: we'll come back to you early and often. john dickerson is our cbs news political director. john is going to be showing us the various ways that the candidates can get to the 270 electoral votes necessary to twin presidency. john? >> well, first, scott, let's follow up on what bob was saying. we're going to dispatch with 41 of the states, the majority of the country cbs estimates based on the polling that those states are either going to go to barack obama or to mitt romney. that gives barack obama a start where he's likely to get 237 electoral votes, mitt romney is likely to get 191 electoral votes. so here we are at the beginning of the evening, nothing ha
this over and look at it by states. in nevada, the white vote was down because it was 19%. nevada used to be a swing state. 71% again in the state of nevada. one of the key battlegrounds. let me give you one more example. colorado. once a red state, now a purple state. latino vote, double digits and 75%. 75%. let's look over here. president wins nevada. once a swing state. wins colorado. wins new mexico. this used to be one of the classic swing states in american politics. don't even think about it anymore, right? and he's probably going to win florida. why do i circle those? i'm going to slide this little barrier. the darker the colors, the higher the latino population. nevada, colorado, new mexico, florida, you can find other places as well up into the midwest. the republicans don't solve this problem. this is a crisis for the republican party. >> it certainly is. we're going to talk more about texas in a bit because i see that orange there. what about women? i know this war on women fight, a lot of people wondered whether it would be effective, but when it actually happened -- >> in
have to use marco rubio, susana martinez, governor of new mexico, sandoval from nevada, hispanic americans who are republicans to forge a different conversation, because if they don't, this trend line will continue. >> well, i look at african-americans, the situation's even worse for the republican party. they don't have a roster like the ones major just outlined there, and they're doing much worse with african-american voters. >> how is it that the polls showed us that this was extraordinarily tight. many republicans said the polls are wrong, that it's not going to be the same as the 2008 electorate. what did we learn? >> the most important thing in my estimation was the partisan split. you know what that was in 2008? exactly the same thing, and what did republicans tell us throughout this campaign, especially down the stretch? we're not going to see that partisan divide, we're not going to see that split. there will be more republicans. we have enthusiasm, we have intensity, our people are going to show up. guess what, they didn't, or the numbers they had were insufficient to c
for democrats. virginia, montana are important if the democrats could pick off arizona or nevada. but things have been breaking for the democrats the past couple of weeks, i think. >> brown: you haven't had a chance to talk about missouri. >> missouri is a very interesting state where democrats hadn't been earning more than 50% of the votes even when winning because there were other factors. and and there is a third party candidate helping her a little bit. one interesting thing about deb fisher, it's the first time nebraska is sending a woman to the senate. and in new hampshire, the associated press called the democratic governor won there. she will be the only female democratic governor in the country next year because she's won. >> yes. >> brown: is that something you didn't know? did we stump you? >> there is a sitting woman democratic governor right now, but she chose not to seek reelection in north carolina. >> right, so in 2013. >> brown: and back to you, glen and judy. >> ifill: we find it very interesting to see how all this is shaking out partly because we see what's happening on t
they went to nevada, colorado, iowa, wisconsin, ohio, virginia and new hampshire and these are the ones who have been the surrogates with mrs. obama, no, my husband is not a cold fish. we have dinner every night with the kids. you should know him. you should see that smile. i love him. you should love him. mrs. romney who is very close to her husband in the strategy, she plays a bigger role than just being the wife of, she is the one who said, he is not a stiff man. look at us. and, by the way, you talked about the grandchildren. there are 18 grandchildren. 13 of them are boys. >> all right. let us put that to the decision desk and see what that means. okay, barbara, stand by, team. we know you have so much more you're eager to say and we'll take a break at election night headquarters 2012 reporting on one of the great nights in democracy, one of the great privileges it is to vote as the polls still are open and a lot of this country projections come in and we have more, of course, to report on what social media is saying when we come back. >> announcer: multitouchscenes courtesy of microso
close. and labor aint dead. laver played a big role in helping obama and nevada and wisconsin as well as an ohio. the popularity of the auto bailout is hard to overstate. that a little bit from politico. now we want to hear from you. we will begin with a call from woodbridge, virginia on our line for democrats. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. i am calling it, as my first time calling c-span. a have been listening for several years. and i feel like i have to make a call today. my comment would be, i voted for obama, and a first-time voter. i just became a citizen of this year. the democratic party, i have been here for two years, and this democratic party stands for us all, it helps the poor people of. like obama said, trying to help people come up to the middle class. the republican party stands for the rich. it claims to be a christian party. these people call themselves christians. but the abuse, the idea as, is not designed to help the poor. it is for the rich. so people like myself, i would never aligned with this party. host: tell us about your experience boating an
battleground states pretty much in the bag. they think nevada, wisconsin, iowa, and new hampshire are all pretty much in the president's column. they feel like ohio is almost certain to go for them. and that, obviously, would give them more than 270 electoral votes there. they think they are a little ahead in virginia. i feel pretty confident about virginia, they think colorado and florida are -- they think colorado and florida are pure toss-ups right now. they could win those, they might lose them and as i said, north carolina's the only one of the nine battleground states where they are pessimistic, but the rest they feel good about. and when you think about that altogether, that's why they feel really self-assured they're going to win the electoral college tonight if not the popular vote. >> can you imagine? to finish out the two tiny villages in new hampshire, 23 votes for president obama, nine for romney, and tonight, the polls begin closing in eastern in kentucky at 6:00 eastern time. our first big clue on how the election might unfold will come at 7:00 when the polls close in anoth
, particularly in nevada, another key state that we're watching here. there was just a kwocouple of d ago that the romney campaign ran this ad attempting to link the president to hugo chavez and fidel castro that is probably not a way to get latino voters to i guess appreciate your economic plan since he says he's got this five-point plan. >> well, one of the things that is interesting here, that is an ad that actually might work in florida. the hispanic community in florida is made up of cubans and venezuelans. if you look at the polls that. >> do care about this administration's policy in terms of some of these countries and in terms of south american countries. so that's a ploy i think will work in florida. not so much in nevada where there are more mexicans. you're right. this idea of focusing on foreign policy rather than on economic policy, not a good play. you saw mitt romney try to do that early on. he was in texas, for instance, early on in this race, and talking about those issues. but, again, in texas, that's a state he is going to win. have i been quite surprised that you have
on this map is go ahead and take a look. you can see california has 9.7% unemployment. nevada has 11.2%. florida has 8.6%. you can go dive in on a state-by-state level as well. finally we've also got a lot of demographic data in here. this, for example, is a breakdown as how the country looks by ethnicity. the more pink, the larger hispanic population. new mexico has 46%. texas has 37%. these are just some of the data sets. whether it's demographic or economic or historical or a little bit of context that you like from the newshour so much. we'll be back. >> ifill: we'll be playing with those maps all night. we can't wait. all of those factors will play into state and local races across this country. back to jeff now now for a closer look at the house and senate contest on radar tonight. >> brown: still with me are christina bellantoni and stuart rothenberg. let's set the big-picture scene on the senate side. of course it's about control in both houses, right? >> sure, it is. at the beginning of this cycle, republicans felt confident that they might be able to win the necessary seats
seats in play, and when we get out west, california, washington, nevada, something good could happen for them. but it's going to be hard for the democrats to take over the house. >> brown: there a particular one or two you want to keep your eye on especially tonight? >> a lot of the demographic data we're looking at democrats have area where's they can gain, perhaps later on down the line, arizona, texas, as sturks mentioned, florida is another one, where the democrats are look at making long-lasting gains. they're making new seats. california is another one we will be watching. what is the bigger picture when it comes to the type of members of congress? are these people extreme on one part or the other? the way the lines are drawn that can happen. if you draw a district with extreme democrat or republican, you can end up with extremes in congress. >> woodruff: mark, you were telling me you were off the set talking to somebody, picking up some information about how the vote is coming in. >> the turnout right now is that what tino voters are voting at the levels that the obama people
of these immense divides that exist. >> just want to note almost an after-thought, nevada, we have a projection, nevada has come through for barack obama. go ahead, nicolle. >> i was going to say, in 2004 when george w. bush won, there was a belief and i went into the white house after that campaign and we believed we had a mandate to reform social security reform. we misread our mandate. we misread the results of that 2004 vote. i think that if i could offer any advice and no one from the obama white house is likely to call me for my advice but my advice would be, do not misread a mandate that does not exist for you because half the country, not only did they not vote for you, they distrust you, they distrust you as someone who understands their problems, who has done what they needed you to do which was to solve the economic despair in this country. >> not only half the country, jonathan karl, but half of caught washington, as well, half of official washington. you have made the point we are coming out of a campaign that probably spent $6 billion in aggregate all to return what looks like the
conference that we have within our own country because of these huge divides. > . >> in nevada, we have a projection that nevada has come through for barack obama. >> in 2004 when george w. bush won we thought we had a man dade to reform medicare. we misread that 2004 vote. i think if i could offer any advice and no one from the white house is going to call me, but my advice would be do not misread a man date that does not exist for you. not only did half of the country not vote for you, they distrust you as someone who understands their problems and who will do what they need which is solve the dispair in the country. >> not just half of the country, half of washington. we are now coming out of a campaign that probably spent 6 billion collar $6 billion collar dollar -- in aggregate to return the status quo to washington. a $6 billion campaign that changes virtually nothing. one of the big stories we thought were those huge republican super pacts. they spent over $300 million just on senate races and they have ended up probably a net loss of senate races. they come to congress lookin
we're going to win wisconsin, nevada, new hampshire. i think we've got an even chance of winning virginia and florida. so it could be a big win. and it also could be close. >> good morning. look at that, how beautiful. we are here. we are here. what are we, a day away? this is so exciting. good morning, everyone. >> he said it wasn't going to be close. and then he said it was going to be close. maybe he was talking about president clinton. >> it's monday, november 5th, the day before election day. we have with us mike barnicle, senior political analyst, mark halperin, willie's just walked in. i don't know why you're laughing. >> me? >> no, mike. >> this lighting is disturbing. i don't know who did it. i don't like it. i'm just going to say that right up front. but i'm happy this weekend -- today because this weekend there was a huge sporting event that all the world tuned to. and i can tell you i've never been more proud of the vanderbilt commodores, dudley stadium. >> no, they went on the road and did that. they went to kentucky, to commonwealth stadium. sure. 40-0, 5-4. mika, o
hampshire, new mexico, nevada. that's the pathway to victory for john mccain. >> here's something interesting as we know now. the president won all those states that mitt romney mentioned, tony. do you think the prediction is going to be a bit better this time around? >> it's not for -- i hope romney isn't making those kind of predictions today. predictions shouldn't be his business. it should be racing as fast as he can across the finish line. but look, campaigns are tough. this one is still really tight. a lot of these races are still really tight. and there are things that none of us know about. polls don't know what turnout is going to be on election day. that's always been traditionally incredibly difficult to predict. and that makes big differences. so we'll see. >> i want to talk about something that we are surprisingly talking about, karen. paul ryan, joe biden both of them hanging out in pennsylvania campaigning. a state that save for sandy and things that have happened with that perhaps relative to it it was considered a blue state. do you think the obama campaign's worr
in the early vote in several of them, including ohio, iowa, nevada, we've got a lead in colorado. we feel very good about where we are. >> david axelrod joining us this morning. thanks for being with us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you want to be sure to watch the rest of our cnn election team tonight when the first polls close at 6:00 p.m. eastern. you can follow the exact countdown in the lower left-hand side of your screen and as the clock ticks for those closing. there are other stories making news this morning. zoraida's got that for you. >> good morning. another key race to watch today former presidential candidate michele bachmann in the toughest battle of her political life. minnesota congresswoman is in a tight race with democratic challenger jim graves. in their final debate, bachmann defended her claims that muslim brotherhood operatives have infiltrated the federal government. >>> and a sign today that the northeast is slowly recovering from superstorm sandy. the national september 11th memorial at the world trade center site in new york city reopened today. it was cl
. >> that's plan c. wisconsin and iowa, colorado, new hampshire and nevada were plan b. >> one of them is gone. let's talk about florida. because you guys have been numbers crunching like crazy. it's interesting to comparing them to what they were four years ago. what is your sense, karl? identified that miami-dade and broward counties and palm beach the democratic strongholds in the south. obama is doing better in those. he is doing a little less than big urban centers of the i4 corridor. tampa saint peter and orlando and less well in the urban counties in the i4 corridors and worse in the southwest corner of the state and up in the north. the real one is the panhandle where he is running further behind where he did four years ago. walton county got 26% of the vote. now 23.7% of the vote. romney is getting 3 1/2 points better than -- but this race right now is settled. million people having voted is 2000 votes apart. i think at the end of the day it's about-- in--t me brin >> this has been going back and forth. the interesting thing is in the counties where obama is doing a s doing or
new hampshire, pennsylvania, wisconsin, iowa, colorado, nevada, any of those. >> five. >> in the 3-2-1 strategy be virginia is one of the three. if you don't win virginia, how much of a problem? >> they're blocked. that is the strategy -- a lot of the electoral strategy was to block romney in the 3-2-1. can they block him in ohio and win that? can they block him in virginia? if they win virginia or ohio, either one, starts to make it tough. unless some other -- you start to change the strategy. >> quickly, virginia must-win for romney? >> it would be great to win it. historically republican. the opposite strategy is not only focus on 3-2-1 but keep broadening the battlefield. wisconsin, pennsylvania, iowa, colorado, nevada, new hampshire, minnesota. states that come in to play at one time or another. and so you would never want to be only have, one group of states you want as many alternatives as possible. insurance policies if you will. >> so, space cowboys you can stand down for a moment and crumple numbers. calling your sources. bret, it's 3-2-1 or it isn't. >> bret: there you g
nevada. and mika, back east in pennsylvania, a state that one poll had deadlocked over the weekend, we found out it wasn't really deadlocked, was it, now? >> no. >> that was a lie! >> the romney campaign tried to make an 11th hour push there. obama was declared the winner in pennsylvania fairly early in the night. >> and the one battleground state mitt romney did win last night was north carolina, a state that the president took in 2008. and where democrats held their conventions this summer. but this morning the president's also pulling ahead. and this is very important for the white house and a lot of people would say for the way we govern over the next four years. the president's pulling ahead in the popular vote. currently leading nationwide 50%-48%. >> aside from the race for the white house, get this. republicans who had hoped to win control of the senate last night, they were hoping for it, but it was democrats who were able to flip several seats in their favor. we're going to go over all of those a little later. democrats now hold 51 senate seats to republicans' 45 with races i
in play, and when we get out west, california, washington, nevada, something good could happen for them. but it's going to be hard for the democrats to take over the house. >> brown: there a particul one or two you want to keep your eye on especially tonight? >> a lot of the demographic data we're looking atic democratshave area where's they can gain, perhaps later on down the line, arizona, texas, as sturks mentioned, florida is another one, wherehe democrats are look at making long-lastinge gains. they're making new seats. california is another one we will be atching. what is the bigger picture when it comes to the type of members ofat ngress?s? are these peopl extreme on one part or the other? the way the lines are drawn that can happen. if you draw a district with metreme democrat or republican, you can end up with extremestr n congress. >> woodruff: mark, you were telling me you were off the set talking to somebody, picking up some information about howthe vote is coming in. >> the turnout right now that what tino voters are voting at the levels that the obama people needed, if no
states have dropped off. most recently, we moved to nevada off of the in-playlist on to the leaning democratic list as it becomes clear are the polls and the early voting statistics that president obama was filling out a pretty strong lead in that state. host: so as this map comes together, what tatestate does the los angeles uses to determine? -- los angeles times uses to determine? guest: we use a mixture of things. early in the process, you are relying on republican polls. as the process goes along, two other things factor into it. one is the reporting that our political staff does. we've had reporters in all of the battleground states as the campaign goes along and traveling what both of the presidential and vice presidential candidates. so we get a lot of information from our reporters and that's -- that factors into the map and once early voting gets started, we've been tracking the early vote and that was particularly important in nevada. it was also important in north north carolina. for a while, we have moved north carolina off of our battleground list because it seemed lik
brawner, what do you have for us? i want to go back and begin with nevada. president obama -- >> i want to go back and begin with the bottom. polls showed that unions, hispanics and women carry the vote for obama there. and the state of colorado, colorado ranks sixth in the nation for hispanic voters. 74% of them voted for president obama in colorado. and in iowa, president obama wins 52% over mitt romney's 46%. president obama split the senior vote 50-50. moving on to wisconsin, barack obama 53% 2 mitt romney's 46%. and the youth vote may have carried president obama in this state. 18-29-year-old's boy overwhelmingly voted for the president. and what men, too, in this day. 52% voted for barack obama vs 42% for mitt romney. moving on to ohio, this is the state there but it was watching closely. 22% of voters came from union households in ohio. and in north carolina where mitt romney 1 -- excuse me, florida. this is one that has not been called. president obama has bought 45,000 in the lead in this debt -- has about 45,000 in the lead in this state. moving on to north carolina, the econo
-voting numbers in these battleground states i was in nevada and those early voting numbers are really good. so i would -- i think numbers don't lie, and you have got to look at the turnout so far. >> stephanie: i haven't north carolina. do you know -- what are the latest numbers you have heard? >> it just seems like you know, african american students, they are discouraged, they are not going to turn out, blah blah blah. well, so far they have been turning out and turning out in huge numbers. north carolina was exceedingly close in 2008 so look it is going to be tough, but it certainly isn't this -- it's interesting. the pundits write off certain states, i think in part to make it a horse race. >> stephanie: yeah, sure. >> romney has north carolina so we can give that to his total, and how close can we make this, but the truth is you know, the only thing we can really say is it is incumbent upon every citizen to express their viewpoint by voting and participating, and the numbers will be what they will be. >> stephanie: ben, in the state where you went to school virgi
, mexico, texas, florida, nevada. we won't have a chance. >> it's tough to have -- explain, gentlemen, we have primaries and we better do something. because we line up with hispanic voters. i think we do. we could argue that for hours. but our values and where we are as a party, but we're in tenuous territory. this election will tell us a lot about it. >> i told them had we started. we're not even going to get to the beginning of all of this. when we come back, we're going to be on something completely different. well, maybe not. but how many times have you heard someone say if so-and-so wins, i'm moving to canada. oh, yeah. we're going to live to our maybe in the north to even see whether or not they want us there. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use, it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately
broader appeal. same thing happened in 2010 nevada, when sharron was nominated to vote -- to run against harry reid. harry reid was considered to be road kill. they. and harry reid what. in dollar-denominated that -- in delaware they nominated that wiccan. there are republicans who are looking at their losing power and thinking we have got to do something different. but even among those people, there is a fear if they decide to do something different, olympia snowe, who was wildly popular in maine, do you really think if she had been nominated that she would not be elected? there would not be a race. she did not want -- she had had it with trying to adapt to this new reality that involved the tea party people. so the question is, is that, which is going to dominate -- fear or opportunity? >> about 15 minutes or so left in this discussion. you can see this in its entirety at the c-span video library. now the latest on the hurricane seen the hurricane response with craig fugate, and charley and nancy. you can also hear this on c- span3. >> update on the response to hurricane sandy. >> afte
of voters has increased in colorado, iowa, minnesota, nevada, north carolina, and wisconsin. it looks like it decreased in 35 of 49 battleground states. the total turnout may be higher in 2008 when all the votes are finally counted. as we plan 4, total minority vote share increased to 28%. our coalition turnout, women made up about the same% of the electorate as in 2008. we got if you got% of women voters. for lots of reporting about youth turnout, they continue to turn out and take control of their future. in virginia, we increased our youth percentage. in florida, boating rates increased to 16%, and we got 61% in 2008 and 66% in 2012. african american turnout and support was as high or higher than ever. in ohio, african-americans increased from 11% to 15%. we got somewhere between 9% and 97% in every battle ground state. 71% of latino vote, the highest percentage of latino vote since 1996. in florida increase from 14% in 2008 to 17% in 2012. we increased our vote share in florida from 57 to 60, which appears to be a high mark for any democratic candidate. for the first time since the rev
have the issue of the federal law making it illegal. nevada at legalized prostitution on a local basis. some people said that will be encouraging to the tourist trade. the idea of creating a tourist trade in colorado by people coming in to smoke marijuana as was mentioned, there is still the problem that they go back to work and it is in their bloodstream and it has an impact on their. the mental impact have to do with a user -- with being a user -- you have to count the negative parts of this. marinol is not the only prescription derived from marijuana. there are two others available -- grenobinol and nabalone. there has been an effort to try to make it possible for people with serious health conditions to get these same benefits that they might from smoking marijuana without getting the negative impact. if it is expensive, i hope that persons have insurance that will help them with that. host: london, kentucky, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. what are the statistics of andle who have od'eed alcohol, prescription drugs, or marijuana. ? guest: marijuana is the zero. the
in the mexico. brian sandoval in nevada, governor. these are people that are leaders in our party right now. they connect with what are believes are. they generally connect with what our beliefs are. but this immigration the issue over the last 10 years has become very real politics in our party or you don't want to talk about exports. when mitt romney got asked in the debates about immigration it was like a very awkward. he was like, what do i do with my hands? marcogot to talk about rubio leads the charge on. he talks about immigration. that is what our party needs to talk about. it cannot be an issue that we avoid. >> let's go to the audience. a couple of ground rules. we ask that you would until microphone comes around and that you state your question in the form of a question. right here. and then there. >> alex from the cato institute. seems to be disagreement on the panel about whether a guest worker visa would be a good way to go for. ramesh has an assimilationist point of view and brad says this is a good way as they can come in legally and weakened take some strain off the black m
lengthy discussions with the democratic leader harry reid of nevada, as well as former majority leader and my good friend george mitchell of maine on this very question. i came away from these conversations reassured that my independence would be respected, and that no party line commitment would be required or expected. and so i have decided to fill eight myself with the democratic caucus because doing so will allow me to take independent positions on issues as they arise and at the same time will allow me to be an effective representative of the people of maine. one final word. by associating myself with one side i am not in automatic opposition to the other. i'd like to repeat that. by associating myself with one side i am not in automatic opposition to the other. in the situation of a republican house, a democratic senate but with substantial powers residing in the minority and a democratic president, no one party can control the outcome of our collective deliberations. as bill clinton might say, it's just arithmetic. in fact, this situation of a divided government has only two pos
've got governor martinez in new mexico. we've got brian sandoval, governor in nevada. these are people who are leaders in our party right now, right now. so they connect with what our beliefs are. they generally connect what our police are but this issue of immigration i believe in the last eight to 10 years has become third world politics in our party. where you don't want to talk about it. when mitt romney got into debates about immigration it was like very awkward but he's like what i do with my hands, you know? we've got to talk about. that's what marco rubio leads the charge of every time he talks about anything he talks to immigration, and that is what our party needs to talk about. it's an issue we can't avoid. >> we're going to go to the audience here. just a couple ground close to ask that you wait for a microphone to come around. and that you state your question in the form of a question. so we have a question right here and then we'll go there next. >> hi. outlooks from the cato institute. there seems to be some disagreement on the panel about whether guestworker visas are g
that the world has. he has designed 300 golf courses. seven of them are in nevada, operating now. he has won trophy after trophy after trophy. he has been swinging golf clubs since a little boy of four years old. he was always such a big star. i hope, arnold, you'll remember. you and winnie were traveling across the country. they stopped a long way from las vegas to have a hamburger and some french fries and a beer. they had very little money. they certainly were not going to gamble. they did not have the resources to do that. a young married couple flipped a roulette wheel and they bet on a double eight. and it hit it. and this is what arnold palmer wrote about this stroke of luck. "$35, talk about a couple of nice kids. we hustled back to our hotel room, -- naive kids. we hustled back to our hotel room. we propped a door against the hotel room -- we've brought a chair against the battelle room door. -- propped a chair against the hotel room door." in hindsight, he proudly did not need that $35 very much. but imagine how much it must have felt to a young married couple to starting out. we a
this fight. we have governor suzannia martinez in new mexico. brian sandoval, governor in nevada. these are people that are leaders in our party right now, right now. so they connect with what our beliefs are. they generally connect with our what our beliefs are but this issue of immigration, i believe, in the last eight to ten years has become third level politics in our party where you don't want to talk about it. candidates, when mitt romney got asked in the debates about immigration, it was like very awkward. he was like what do i do with my hands. we got to talk about it. that's what marco rubio leads the charge on. every time he talks about anything, he talks about immigration and that is what our party needs to talk about. can't be issues we avoid. >> we're going to go to the audience here. a couple ground rules. i ask you wait for a microphone to come around. and that you state your question in the form of a question. so we have a question right here and go there next. >> hi, i'm from the cato institute. there seems to be some disagroment on the panel about whether guest
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